• The Idea Thread

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 #64399  by SkeetDixon
 Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:02 am
Demeter wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:51 pm
I could write an essay on a single thought of yours is the issue. I come here for entertainment, not to write essays.

I literally could write an essay, but since I don't feel like it, I'll just pose one question to you:

If we lived in a world full of people consuming the flesh of tortured children, would you consider it child abuse to feed your child beans and rice instead?
That hypothetical is just sad. It reminds me of the end of an episode of Intervention when the caption states how the addict relapsed and is back living on the streets as an addict. Hopelessness.

The mistreatment of animals is highly subjective. Your perception of it is boundless. Even dairy cows are somehow mistreated so you can't drink milk. It never ends.

They could address all of these issues in the industry, and it still wouldn't be enough. Admit it. You would not be satisfied. You'd just shift focus to environmental degradation which is even more prevalent in modern farming practices.

This is a religion to you. You live a miserable, Puritanical existence, looking down your nose at Vegetarians and individuals that consume very minimal amounts of animal products. Rather than minimize your consumption and participate in traditional cultural practices, you wallow in a hollow, fruitless subculture.

You trying to fight these perceived issues through personal consumption or lack thereof is like trying to fix a leaking roof by buying an umbrella. You are wet, cold, and no one wants to come over.
 #64420  by PlusCaChange
 Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:03 am
You live a miserable, Puritanical existence, looking down your nose
Don't underestimate the satisfactions of feeling morally superior.

What I find interesting about the phenomenon of moral vegetarianism is how it fits into the historical context of post-religious society in the West. It's the logical extension of a hedonistic value system and social equality, really it's taking those ideas to logical absurdity.

Stepping back and looking at it in this light it becomes a wonderfully dry cosmic joke, particularly since the practitioners don't realize the ideas which form the basis of their beliefs have been fostered by the very commercial culture they purport to despise.
 #64434  by almostapathetic
 Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:59 am
Hey LeVegan, name one person you could call to drive you to pick your car up at the shop. Then on the car ride over, they'd say, "hey, lets go see a movie this weekend."
 #64442  by cunnalingus
 Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:37 am
almostapathetic wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:59 am
Hey LeVegan, name one person you could call to drive you to pick your car up at the shop. Then on the car ride over, they'd say, "hey, lets go see a movie this weekend."
What a headache that would be at the theatre. "Excuse me is this popcorn made from vegan popcorn and vegan non dairy butter? are the drinks made with animal friendly vegan cups? Is there a designated vegan seating area? I refuse to sit where a meat eater sat." They would be like yes ma'am if you go through the door with exit above it we have a special area just for you. They would probably lock the entrance after that and shut the lights off and pretend they're closed.
 #64446  by PlusCaChange
 Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:51 am
They would probably lock the entrance after that and shut the lights off and pretend they're closed.
You sound like one of the pagans in late antiquity laughing off this new zombie-cannibal cult of this Jesus guy, giving all the reasons why it will never be anything but a load of disaffected cranks. Nothing to worry about, crazy ideas like this will never catch on.

If history tells us anything it's that no idea is too insane to become the norm. Just thank God bacon is so tasty or we'd probably already all be on soya-swill.
 #64485  by PastorX
 Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:46 pm
Parents killed baby with quinoa ‘milk’ diet: authorities
http://nypost.com/2017/05/18/parents-ki ... thorities/
‘Extreme vegan’ mother arrested, accused of feeding baby only fruit and nuts
http://fox8.com/2016/10/09/extreme-vega ... -and-nuts/
Vegan Breastfeeding Kills Baby
Vegan breastfeeding has caused an 11 month old baby to die and the parents are charged with neglect after an autopsy indicated the baby suffered from severe deficiencies in Vitamin B12 and Vitamin A.
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/ ... ther-dies/
 #64486  by Demeter
 Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:50 pm
You realize that article I linked was actually just ONE example of the countless omnivorous mothers who kill their babies through diet, and within that article they mention how common it is?

But you got 3 examples of fringe vegans who only fed their children 2 different foods and didn't take them to the doctor.

Seba Johnson and Nyjah Houston were raised vegan since conception and they grew up to be top athletes. Joaquin Phoenix was raised vegan since age 3 as well and he's a brilliant actor.

Your anecdotes mean nothing.
 #64487  by PastorX
 Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:54 pm
Parents lose custody of malnourished toddler fed vegan diet
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/07/1 ... -diet.html

Georgia's Supreme Court has sentenced an Atlanta couple to life in prison for starving its infant son, rejecting claims by the defense that vegan rules were to blame.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Diet/vegan ... d=14508628

Parents Who Raise Kids on a Vegan Diet Could Be Jailed Under Proposed Italian Law
http://www.alternet.org/food/parents-wh ... talian-law

“Mom Faces Criminal Charges Because Officials Think Being a Vegan Endangers Her Baby” (TakePart)
“Vegan Couple Cleared of Starving Baby, Guilty of Child Neglect” (CNN)
“Couple Guilty of Assault in Vegan Case” (NY Times)
“Vegan Mom: ‘Malnourished’ Baby was Healthy” (CNN)
“Trial Begins for a Scottsdale Vegan who Starved his Kids” (Phoenix New Times)
“Death by Veganism” (NY Times, Op-Ed Piece)
Vegan mum who allegedly fed baby only fruits and nuts charged
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parent ... 3699578899

My hand is getting fatigued, still gotta save some energy to finger bang you later tonight.
 #64547  by andrewryan69
 Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:27 am
^ sad shit, huh? Here's a chart I found on some scientific journal:

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Really fucking sad. Veganism has claimed the lives of many due to its unorthodox approach to eating food.