cunnalingus wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:21 am
plusdachange confirmed for being a neckbeard virgin. You take care of da wife and kids but what do they do for you. LOL WHADDA FAG!
Ideally you should both get something you value in a relationship. It's a complicated question because value depends on the market and individual taste & etc. I think if most men had their ideal it would be sexual access to many women and no responsibility to do anything but what they enjoyed. This playboy lifestyle is what most very wealthy or famous and attractive men generally pursue if they aren't constrained by social expectations.
Women are somewhat different, they are more selective, they want devotion at least for as long as they are interested in a man. Their sexual ideal is more like serial monogamy with top-drawer men.
What a man or woman is giving up depends on what their options were and how good they are at self-discipline and reading the market.
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joecaca wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:15 am
PlusCaChange wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:10 am
joecaca wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:47 am
Real men take care of women and children. They're providers. They don't cry about how it's not fair that they don't get stuff. Lol fuck you guys are fucking pussies. Wahhhhhh me me me wahhhhh
grow a pair doe
Well if you are going to be a 'provider' and "take care" of your women and children that's cool but what are they doing in return? Because if the obligations and duties all only go in one direction you are being used. We used to have sex roles which imposed strictures and obligations on all parties but in modern times women and children have renounced the duties of traditional roles. I have no problem with that, we have to adapt to changing circumstances. Everyone should be free to make their own deal but the deal has to give you something of value roughly equal to what you give or it's unfair exploitation.
Children don't need to do anything in return. Women, those questions answer themselves when you are in a good relationship. It's true women have freedom now, hey that's great. If in exchange you feel like you can now be more "lady like" in a traditional sense, then whatever floats your boat
I disagree about the children not needing to do anything. If you raise children without any sense of duty or respect you are going to be treated like a rented cow and you'll deserve it.